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carmarthenfan replied to your post “Hello, I was confused about Natasha’s birth dates in the recent marvel films, you see i read somewhere that she was born in 1928 and in the movies she is kind a mystery. She didn’t appear in the captain America film either. Also in Captain America 2 a computer thingy identified her to be born in the 80s. Are the movies wrong or are there they two separate widows, or do you think they’ll explain this?”
She does mention the KGB in the movies, which is an odd fit with her apparent age?

I think this is both shorthand for “the only Russian spy agency American audiences recognize” and a hint at how young Natasha was when she was snatched into training. There’s also a huge comic book precedent for KGB shadow groups existing after the dissolution of the USSR. For example, there are at least two Red Rooms, the “legitimate” one that trained Yelena Belova, operating under the GRU, and a separate rogue organization with the original KGB leadership and technology. Comics are comics and need commies to be the bad guys forever.

It’s also possible we’re all overthinking it and the scriptwriters just hecked up. But in the Johansson quote I just pulled, she says Natasha is in her “late twenties, early thirties” and that she’s “been involved with the Russian KGB”— so I don’t think we’re meant to read this as a huge and secret contradiction.

Even though the audience remains unclear, discovering the character’s past, it’s important for me as an actor to know where I’m coming from, what my backstory is. Of course the character, the Widow, has this complex backstory, with many different incarnations. For me it’s important to think of the Widow as being a very contemporary character. She’s not standing the test of time, we’re talking about somebody who’s in her late twenties, early thirties, and she’s had the history that she’s had, been involved with the Russian KGB, obviously, she was taken as a young child and put into the Widow training program, and you learn more and more about what she did, during that time.
— Scarlett Johansson

Source: marvel.com

charmed-sisters-sims-3 asked: Hello, I was confused about Natasha's birth dates in the recent marvel films, you see i read somewhere that she was born in 1928 and in the movies she is kind a mystery. She didn't appear in the captain America film either. Also in Captain America 2 a computer thingy identified her to be born in the 80s. Are the movies wrong or are there they two separate widows, or do you think they'll explain this?

The movies just exist on a different timeline— they differ from the comics, but I wouldn’t call them wrong. For example, in the comics Nick Fury was the leader of the Howling Commandos, not Captain America, and he is likewise impossibly aged due to comic book super science.  In the movie Captain America was the leader of the Howling Commandos, and Nick Fury is impossibly aged due to Samuel L. Jackson.

Everyone involved in the films, from comic book tie-in creators to script writers to Scarlett Johansson herself, has mentioned that Natasha in the movie continuity is meant to be a contemporary take on an old concept. The comic book Black Widow was introduced in 1964, and wasn’t created immortal; several decades of plot twists made her that way. Because the stories have been running on for long and longer years, dates and times in comics are extra complicated. Natasha’s had at least three separate origin stories and only one of them sets her birthday to 1928. And adaptations of comic book stories tend to pick and choose and invent wholesale to make something that sticks to the screen.

There’s nothing within the universe of the movies that suggest Natasha’s secretly 84, and nothing that suggests she’s not the original Black Widow. Since the films haven’t elaborated much on Natasha’s mystery-flavor past, some fans look to her recent comic book background as inspiration.

I’m skeptical of the date mentioned in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, because I don’t expect them to remember it the next time we see her file. (The’ve mixed up this kind of thing before.) But I don’t think it was put there in bad faith, if that makes sense. Like I said, the people who created her for this have said this Black Widow is just younger than the comic version, and we’re supposed to see more of her origin in this world Avengers: Age of Ultron.

TL;DR: yes, there are two separate Widows, two separate timelines, and both are right.

Anonymous asked: why did the letters section ended in the natasha ongoing?

I have no clue! I also don’t know if it’s really ended— a lot of times letters pages skip a few issues.  I do know that Marvel has started putting some lost letters pages online to save space and printing costs. I also know that nathanedmondson and ElliePyle would have better intel than me.

Anonymous asked: Hello! This is probably a stupid question, but I didn't find it in the FAQ - how old is Natasha?

It depends on who’s telling the story. I don’t really trust MCU birthdate continuity since it keeps contradicting, but Natasha in that universe is approximately the same age as the actress who plays her.

In the comics, Natasha was an infant in 1928 but had her aging slowed by a mystery science chemical.